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. both times, boehner could not deliver because they refused because of grover norquist to allow any tax revenues whatsoever. we had meetings with the vice president, biden and cantor. cantor walked out of those meetings. he is the majority leader in the house. we had the gang of six, the gang of eight. we had this super committee, and they were doing good things, good things, dealing with entitlements and revenues. and a week before they were to report, buy virtue of statute, i get a letter signed by virtually every republican, too bad about the super committee, we're not going to do anything with revenues. so this is not a capsule of a couple of days. this has been going on for years. they cannot cross over the threshold that has been built by grover norquist. people who are rich, who make a lot of money, they are not opposing raising the taxes on them. the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. so any time the speaker and the republican leader come to the president and say we have got a deal for you, the
norquist and his pledge? >> it's odd because grover was the one sort of outside government institution on the conservative side who agreed with speaker boehner's plan "b" which would have allowed taxes to go up above $1 million in income. all the other conservative groups say no. i think grover's pledge, i don't know where it goes from here. obviously is doesn't have as much teeth as is it did because there are people who are willing to buck it. >> i think the key thing with the grover pledge though is that republicans feel like they're in such a corner here, the house is in disarray, boehner doesn't really know where his caucus is going to go. they're not really worried about grover's pledge. they're more worried about rebuilding the party and surviving this horrible moment when they barely control one chamber. >> okay. so i want to run this by you. charles krauthammer from "the washington post" has suggested this kind of complicated theory that the president has a bigger plan here. wonder if we can play this tape of what he says the president's strategy is. >> he's been using this, a
the philosophy's main spokesman is this man. grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge signed by almost all republicans in congress forbid signatories from raising taxes ever under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011, republicans demand the government reduce the deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose the ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorch earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. but in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would expire. so the point is, we could'
in the republican con fenc conferencey are looking for company. >> bret: saying that grover norquist just tweeted out a message. of course, the legendary or depending on your point of view if you are a democrat infamous tax cutter and fights for tax cuts and against tax increases here in washington heads up a group that really keeps the fire on the feet of lawmakers here. he just tweeted out "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge ." something that i think republicans were mentioning already. you can see that the time remaining there is at zero. and we are at 2:05 to 139. you can see the no votes there ticking down. the time can be extended for this vote and apparently there are a number of lawmakers who are waiting until the very end to cast their votes. again, we are are on the threshold here of passing the passage and i think we may have just made it at 2 214. charleston? >> while it is over. -- charles? >> the good news for all americans is that as of tomorrow we may never have to hear the word,
the right has been captured by antitax interest by grover norquist, by people who won't come to the table and have a reasonable conversation about modest tax increases in relationship to modest cuts in spending where the majority of american people are. and so -- >> alexis, let's be honest. >> because the house is acting like bunch of kids. >> the president is backtracking on his deal because all he's concerned about doing is breaking house republicans on this issue, because he wants to get his agenda through before the 2014 election and he feels the best way to do this is make house republicans and john boehner who is now the least popular congressional leader look like bad guys. it's political heater and not good governance. >> heather: we appreciate you joining us. we'll see what happens. >> thank you. >> kelly: preparations are underway for the new year's eve celebration in times square. crews are hard at work putting the finishing touches on some old traditions and a few new ones. a special inscription on this year's ball is just one feature that organizers say will make this new yea
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, grover norquist. president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories from raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. >>> but in a last minnesota minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front, and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect, starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would expire. so the point is, we could have all
dumb. >> let me ask you this. grover norquist, who is the person who gave these guys this pledge, gave cover not only to this plan but gave cover to john boehner's last plan, plan b. he is saying get away from this poisonous income tax rate discussion and then the democrats have no excuse but to focus on the spending and the entitlement issue. he gave effort. so where does the bloodymindedness come from that says i'm not even going to pay attention to that, i'm going to dig in my heels. my guess is when you see the names of the people who have decided to step up against this, these are people who want more elected positions, they want greater positions of power, they are the paul ryans, eric cantors, marco rubios of florida. no one is prepared to put the country in front of their own political interests tonight. >> that is exactly right. look, it's worth noting that among the republicans in the senate who voted against this amendment to avoid going over the cliff, two were people widely believed to be running for president in 2016. marco rubio and rand paul. that's not an accident. tha
by a small group of extreme republicans. we know that grover norquist may or may not have influence, but in the end, what is holding them back from a deal right now? >> one thing that is holding them back is that speaker boehner does not have full control over the conference. he has about 50 votes on the far right of the party that did not back his plan b to set a $1 million threshold. at the end of of the day, if a deal is going to be done, it is only going to happen if the center of both parties comes together. if you make any concessions significant to the democratic base, you will have concessions on the far right as well. that coalition is ultimately what got us across the finish line that ended the whole debacle of the credit rating, and here we are again. there is not that much time. if we go over the cliff, democrats are willing to put forth a bill to save the tax cuts, but it is the dysfunction that is the problem and the lack of predictable and the prediction of brinkmanship that has folks at home furious and it should. >> i am getting a lot of twitter activity on this, an
you just voiced that makes -- lends credence to the fact that this is a tax increase to some. grover norquist gave his blessing to the deal and justified it by saying republicans didn't technically raise taxes since the bush tax cuts expired on january 1st. he was on with our andrea mitchell today. look at what he had to say. >> no republican voted for tax increase. what happened was obama had the dam cleez over the people with the tax increase over the next decade that would happen automatically. the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from some people. that'll hurt the economy. he got his tax increase, but he can't claim republican fingerprints on his tax increase. >> well, wait a second. i mean, we're not living in the alice in wonderland world here. there is a tax increase for wealthier americans. it's literally a tax increase. >> well, first of all -- >> rates are up. >> what happened yesterday was all the tax rates went up and then the republicans and congress together took them down for some peop
're listening to grover norquist and unfortunately the tea party has been distorted. i took a little opportunity today to read about the historic i think 1773 when the tea partiers, boston tea partiers threw tea into the boston harbor. they were fighting for the colonies, for our independence, fighting for america. what are the tea party advocates fighting for now, that's not america. to see our economy troubled by the fact that the markets are nervous about going over this slippery slope. if that doesn't touch your heart on middle class americans seeing their tax bill go up enormously or $109 billion in immediate cuts in places where we probably can't cut. we cut $1.2 trillion and if i can say this one point, can you believe it on this day as we are looking for a solution someone has come up with the idea, i'm not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you give me another $1.2 trillion in cuts in medicare. let's stop the one upsmanship. i'm ready to vote on sunday to make it work and to make it work with a compromise. let's come tocchet and we can do this job. >> all right. you heard it here. t
or not they consider this to be a tax increase. grover norquist has said voting for this is not a tax increase because the taxes are technically higher right now and this would actually be a tax cut, so -- >> but didn't you think the whole thing was sort of a joke? i mean, when you parse that kind of stuff, oh, it's not really -- i mean, really? really? >> i know the republicans for decades have been burned whenever they've gone and raised taxes and they've been promised spending cuts and they never materialize. so, this is a very, very sore spot for republicans. they don't want to have to vote for a tax increase and then not get anything in return on the spending side, and we have not seen any real kind of offer from the president on spending. and i think that that's where the rubber's really going to hit the road in a couple months. >> jonathan collegeo and. >>> right now secretary of state hillary clinton is said to be in good spirits, resting comfortably in a new york hospital, undergoing treatment for a blood clot. doctors told us yesterday that that clot is located in a vein between her skull an
don't have to worry about their pledge to grover norquist or americans for tax reform, they will have a tax cut. i think people have been thinking all along that really if push comes to shove, we'll do it in the new year and that seems to be what's developing. >> it creates an interesting dynamic, you'd have a new congress sworn in on january 3rd and ordinarily everyone goes home, get your picture taken, that's it. you're essentially swearing in a new congress and moving to the floor. that's something we haven't seen in quite a while, i'd say in the modern era. >> one of the odd things on the first day is elect a speaker. the majority party puts up -- this time it would be john boehner. the minority puts up their chosen leader, this time nancy pelosi. it's usually pro forma, but this time it has a real weight to it, because one of the reasons we're in this situation right now is because we're waiting for john boehner to be reelected to speaker of the house before they make a move, because only if 16 or 17 republicans don't vote for the guy, he could lose. they just want to wait. >> th
grover norquist taxes, they hate them, that is not true. to a degree that kind of disturbs me, actually, the two parties mostly agree on keeping the bush tax cuts. up to $250,000 in income, which is a lot of income. republicans and democrats want to keep all the bush tax cuts. that's way more than 80% of all the bush tax cuts. they agree on all of that, no argument. where they disagree is democrats want to raise taxes on any income over 250,000. and they'll accept at this point 400,000. and republicans, though, this is what people don't always know, republicans want to raise taxes too, they want to raise them on poor people. they want to let the stimulus tax cuts expire. those are tax cuts that are helping poor and middle tax cuts. a family may get $60,000 will see a tax increase of almost $1,000. the white house opposes that tax increase. that is the shape of the disagreement on taxes. democrats want to raise them on the rich, republicans want to raise them on the poor. that is where the fight is happen i happening number four. and i cannot emphasize this enough. it's important to say
is a way to walk the following line. allow their members to observe the grover norquist pledge and not raise taxes, which means they can't vote before midnight tomorrow to raise taxes. they could easily do that when the calendar turns into the next year. they could do that at any point, be consistent with their pledge and kind of walk away with their chins high. again, presumably observing some sort of line that the president supports about tax increases or in that case not having tax cuts for a few of the upper percentage taxpayers. that's something, again, that doesn't violate any republican pledge, so i think as a practical matter, and we heard this when plan "b" was pulled by speaker boehner, the perception is they can't allow themselves to vote for a tax increase. they don't want to get primaried, but come the new year they have an out which allows them to actually cut a deal. mitch mcconnell i think heinz what he says that he wants to get something done because they don't want to see the economy go into a tailspin. they read the same polls that you and i read which is tha
a grover norquist. >> group of people in the house of representatives slapped around their own leader. >> there's a word called compromise. >> it doesn't work this way. >> how does it work? >> basic fairness. >> i love that you are the last person i want to talk to before i go to sleep at night. >> a lot of democrats get mad at me. >> i am cautiously optimistic. >> the vice president and i worked together on solutions before. we can again. >> you say things like that and you make it impossible for me to hate you. >> but the american people elected me to put forward a balanced approach. >> my whole life i don't know what this song means. it means should old acquaintance be forgot. >> i want to wish everybody a happy new year. >> let's bring in the new year with our panel, jimmy williams and susan del percio and angela, general counsel for the congressional black caucus. welcome all of you. jimmy, let's start with the fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we're hearing about a strange marriage between minority leader mitch mcconnell and the vice president. why is the senate's top republican
not deliver because they refused because of grover norquist not to allow any tax revenues whatsoever. meetings with vice president biden and cantor. cantor walked out of those meetings. he's the majority leader in the house. the gang of six, the gang of eight. we had this super committee, and they were doing good things, good things, dealing with entitlements and revenues, and a week before they would report by virtue of statute i get a letter signed by every republican too, bad about the super committee, we're not going to do anything with revenues, so this is not a capsule of a couple of days. this has been going on for years. they cannot cross over the threshold that has been built by grover for vist. people who are rich who make a lot of money, her not opposing raising taxes on them. the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. any time bhth speaker and the republican leader come to the president and say we've got a deal for you. the president's door is always own, and mine is, too. >> the senate is back in ses
this and then the promised spending cuts, you know what they're all going hear in their head. grover norquist telling them they never come. they're the unicorn that doesn't exist. >> a lot of republicans at this point will say, you know what? after all of this they may not be saying publicly now, but they'll say let's just take the sequester and at least we'll be cutting some spending and we'll be cutting the actual spending and take that sequester. >> last word. >> i don't disagree with you and jimmy on this point. this is not a deficit reduction deal that will stabilize the debt to gdp ratio and that has to be -- that has to be one of the goals of a broader deal that now we're probably going to be looking for on the other side of the cliff. >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't seem to be any part of the president's goal. jared, good to see you always. jimmy, you, too. we'll get you guys back in just a few minutes. we'll get you to the roundtable if you haven't had enough yet. what will it mean for banks? new analysis shows that the expiration ever tax cuts will improve bank savings in 2013, by, listen to t
'm so glad. ( laughter ). >> when ronald reagan was president, grover norquist was in diapers and rush limbaugh was a disk jockey, i think, in st. louis. you have had a hermetically sealed culture grow up on the right in this country that as we saw during the last election, is removed from reality and is extreme in the most egregious way. >> and you don't have to go all the way-- >> it's much further than that. when bill clinton passed that budget deal, he didn't get a single republican vote. and there hasn't been a republican vote for tax increases in 20 years, and if the deal falls apart today-- which i think it probably will-- the reason is there will be no republican votes. even in the senate, much less to the house for a tax increase, which is what they're talking about. >> in the short term there's no political penalty to pay for that, back to your point, i guess, that we re-elected both a democratic president and because-- because of jerry manneddering, so there's no political price to pay so members of congress with vote in the interest of the their constituents and not the bes
't like grover norquist. now a message to washington. >> this shows how incredibly out of touch you are, are you off in la la land and everybody is saying you are acting like a bunch of spoil brats who are more interested in being wririg than doing the right thing for the people who elected you. tyeah, its the galaxy note ii.re great. you can do two things at the same time. you can watch videos and text. or you could watch the earnings report and take notes, like we're supposed to. so... can i get it? yeah. okay either of you put together the earnings report yet? yes, me totally. what? why don't you tackle the next quarter. you eat yet? polynesian? pu pu platter? yup! keep up the good work. i will keep up the good work. do more with the new samsung galaxy note ii. i've always kept my eye on her... but with so much health care noise, i didn't always watch out for myself. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still going to give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. if by blessed you mean freake
broken the iron grip of grover norquist on the republican party, at least in the senate, and taxes have gone up on the top 2% and that will help us if going forward. and then secondly, we have a compromise. and that is really vital to this country, to see that congress can have debates in division and can make decisions. and there is no harm that is being done by this bill to the american economy and the american middle class. there is some positive things here, despite the fact that both sides are going to have a lot to criticize, and the thing that is alarming to everybody is that two months from now, we're going to be back at it again with the debt ceiling, with the -- with the budget expiring, and that is going to be another fight all over again. >> you know, congressman, you say that there will be no harm to the american middle class. but the republicans would argue that by not putting in any spending cuts, that in fact you are harming the middle class, because it is just incurring more and more and more debt. the house minority leader nancy police plo pelosi said up or down vote.
one person's opinion carries disproportionate weight and that person is grover norquist. he's the head of americans for tax reform. they have got the pledge that mostly republican members of congress signed to say they won't increase taxes. now, understand this. the top marginal tax rate going from 35% to 39.6% is not a tax increase. it is a return to tax rates that would have taken place after the temporary bush tax cuts expired and got extended. so the way i see it, that cuts with designed to be temporary, but clearly norquist disagrees with me. >> let's say we let the bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year and then congress moved to increase tax rates. would that count? would that violate your pledge? >> that would clearly be -- look, you can't go to the american people and say we raised taxes $500 billion and then we cut it $400 billion, please only look at the cut, not the overall rate. if you raise taxes $100 billion on the american people, they're going to notice it. it doesn't pass the laugh test. >> now, people say he's just one guy. grover likes to say the pledge isn't t
, a bench twinkie, shop at walmart today. >> that horrible guy. >> the guy -- the guy -- grover norquist. >> there you go. named after a fuzzy blue sesame street. i have a bonus one for you. some people are going to have problems if they don't get this. which comedian stirred up controversy? >> chris rock. >> yes. the answer is chris rock and the tweet is happy white people's independence day, the slaves weren't free, but i'm sure they enjoyed the fireworks. >> that was on the black level. it's our psychic ability there. >> i literally got a participation sticker. i'm going wear it proudly. that's what i got. >> thank you for playing. when we come back, i'm going to talk about how chick-fil-a broke my heart in 2012. >>> this year was so politicized waffle fries became a statement. >> a little concerned about this issue of the family and how we define the family. we want to encourage our nation that god sets a standard to what a family is. it's not going to come out of washington. we ought to pray for our politicians and the thought leaders. we are out here to sell chicken. >> just trying
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're in favor of raising taxes, you signed grover norquist's pledge to not raise taxes. you're now rebuking. 450 for joint filers being the cuttoff. which classification of earnings you ultimately will see their taxes increase? >> well, lori, it is very difficult to understand where we go from here because i haven't seen the agreement and, when i look at what ply colleagues really objected to and what was referred to as plan. about, it is difficult to understand why this plan is anything other than a worse plan. there aren't any real spending cuts as i see. so i'm going to have to difficult time with it myself but i will wait to make a final decision until i see it. lori: i'm sure. phil swaying he will about, to you now. let's talk about the issue of spending cuts. you raise a wonderful point. there are expenditures exempt from budget cuts. entitlements. interest payments on the national debt. that said we need bigger entitlement reform. this is a big pick you are issue here, any cuts they're negotiating to avoid the cliff they're not meaningful. are you at all optimistic we can get to a discuss
are you talking about tonight? >> about this, grover norquist to talk about it. >> love him. >> he's got to be annoyeded. >> on where is the commonground. >> thank you, ger. crude at $90.98 a barrel, up $2.37 a barrel. weaker dollar adding to that too. you saw the pictures on the eastern sea board, middle east headlines pushing prices higher. reports say that iraqi kurds suspended production by 180,000 a day. that's going to be bullish news there on the price of crude. >> a lot going on, and not all the fiscal cliff i should say, thankfully. what it means for you and your taxes. you got to hear this. >> forget holiday cheer, the top box office winners ahead. as we do every day at this time, favorite time of the day, the bond yield. there's the ten year. the perceived security of u.s. debt, the long bond. back in a moment. ♪ >> here's your fox business brief. well, more good news for recovery in the housing market in october. the latest index shows prices in the 20citi watt group, 23% year over year. chicago and new york the only cities with annual negative returns. there's a deal with
would vote for it. that's all that would be nominee needed. but, mr. president, grover norquist is standing in the way of this. not the rich people. but grover norquist. the man who says what the republicans can do. so i say to the speaker, take the escape hatch that we've left you. put the economic fate of the nation heafd your own fate as speaker of the house. millions of middle-class families are nervously watching and counting down the moments until their taxes go up. nothing can move forward in regards to our budget crisis unless speaker boehner and leader mcconnell are willing to participate in coming up with a bipartisan plan. speaker boehner is unwilling to negotiate, we have we've not heard a word from leader mcconnell, nothing is happening. democrats can't put together a plan on their own without baws without participation of leader mcconnell and speaker boehner nothing can happen on the fiscal cliff sand so far they are radio silent. mr. president, we're going to work the next couple days to get the most important legislation done on fisa. there should be a good debat
to the right of rick santorum. he took the grover norquist pledge. he did all the things that were required of a potential republican nominee. but in each of those steps, he made it harder for him to win a general election. and he brought to this some strengths. the other thing that will the president four years ago was that romney was the likely nominee because i believe in the theory of opposites. whoever the incumbent is, people are looking for the brevity, not the replica. and romney would represent a stark difference from obama, a businessman, grounded, not a visionary, not an order for. >> so you thought he would be the nominee. you thought that through the whole entire primary process? >> i had a few moments of doubt, as i suspect he may have. but he got to those moments was to do what i said, to move to the right. with each step, i think he made himself more vulnerable. in the abstract, his profile as a businessman will stay positive, even until the final day. it was the concept of a businessman who knows how to create jobs and so on. that was their message and that was not a bad me
the president and boehner, both times boehner could not deliver because they refused because of grover norquist to allow any taxes for revenues whatsoever. we had meetings with the vice president biden and cantor. he walked out of it. he's the majority leader in the house. we had this supercommittee and they were doing good things. good things. dealing with entitlements and revenues and a week before they were to report, by virtue of a statute, i get a letter signed by virtually every republican, too bad about the supercommittee. we're not going to do anything with revenues. >> okay. i think that's a good place to end this. what you're hearing is the history of what has happened to bring us to this point. i want to bring in our congressional correspondent dana bash. dana, i was just sitting here imagining someone turning on their tv thinking, what a these people talking about? and i think i would sort of boil it down to this. when they are talking on the floor, that's never a good sign. they should be talking in a back room. they have gotten nowhere. we are where we are and nobody has agreed on
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it offends grover norquist. what role do the pledges play in our inability to compromise? >> well, i'm certain it does play a role. i've never signed these pledges because my obligation to the people who elected me and that's the way it should be for each member of congress, because times change. the circumstances change, you have to address the issue at hand. it is important to have extending the tax cuts for especially the middle income but secondly to put spending cuts on the table. we have a large debt problem and i understand as far as the republican position is concerned, so that does have credibility, and we have to come to the table on both of those issues, but i think more than anything else, what is deeply troubling is that you can't get congress and the president to reach any accord on anything. we can't even do routine business, let alone the matters that could affect the future of this country. >> olympia snowe you and what you represent will be missed in the senate. senator olympia snowe republican from maine who will not be in the next congress. >>> up ahead they're kn
on immigration. he moved to the right of rick santorum. he took the grover norquist pledge. he did all the things that were required of a potential republican nominee. but in each of those steps, he made it rder for him to win a general election. and he brought to this some strengths. the other thing that will the president four years ago was that romney was the likely nominee because i believe in the theory of opposites. whoever the incumbent is, people are looking for the brevity, not the replica. and romney would represent a stark difference from obama, a businessman, grounded, t a visionary, not an order for. >> so you thought he would be the nominee. you thought that through the whole entire primary process? >> i had a few moments of doubt, as i suspect he may have. but he got to those moments was to do what i said, to move to the right. with each step, i think he made himself more vulnerable. in the abstract, his profile as a businessman ll stay positive, even until the final day. it was the concept of a businessman who knows how to create jobs and so on. that was their message and that was
just don't think it's equal. the democrats don't have a grover norquist that threat, the caucus if they even think about voting for taxes. i do think the u.s. public has seen the differences between the parties. >> i think a lot of people and certainly a lot of our viewers would agree with you on that. it's not necessarily equal blame right now. congresswoman bass, you have a safe trip back over to washington, d.c. and absolutely good luck over there. and if i don't talk to you again before next week, happy new year to you. >> happy new year to you as well. >> all right. and with an in-depth look at what all this cliff dwelling means, our nation's fiscal health, brian mcguinness is president of the committee for responsible federal budget and head of the fix the debt campaign. and i know this has to just be driving you crazy to be listening to some of these conversations that we have been having this morning. so how disappointing is it to you to hear about a possible small deal that keeps taxes from going up, which is a good thing for all americans maybe next week, but what does
built into a broad media system. we can talk about the primary electorate but people like grover norquist and rush limbaugh and cable television trucks and talk-radio and they might otherwise be willing to look for solutions and can't because if they do they are dead if. they are beyond outrageous and you get no push back because whenever you have a political figure who just try is a little bit to say that is too much the new world of the media basically tells us that the business model that works is the fox news model and somehow a network of an audience at any given time as to in the half million people they can make more profits than all three network news divisions combined with an audience of 40 million people. and is that true? >> $700 million. it's enormously successful. and if we abandon that business model, if fox news to mauro says all right, here is the new message from roger ailes, can't we all just get along? we may not like what this president likes to do but he is a good man and we can find ways to work with them. i will guarantee you is that within a week there wo
't think said people exist in the republican party. listen, the answer is grover norquist no new tax pledge. that alone would free the republican party to engage in good faith, sensitive negotiations. everybody knows that our taxes are now at an historic low in the contemporary era and they're going to go out sort of naturally. and with the aging of the population, i guarantee you will be somewhere around 22% gdp. wouldn't it be nice if we could acknowledge that and say what's the most bowl, efficient way to structure a tax system, probably progressive consumption tax direct it in ways to accomplish a whole host of object is. as long as you have that pledge to which members signed, it's hopeless. the republican party cannot be a player in any constructive resolution of the problems confronting the country. there is no political space for a third-party to occupy. it's based on a presumption. we have two extreme parties and there's this great center to mobilize and i'm deeply skeptical that there's room for such a party and would really play a constructive role. is it going to get worse than
. >> get revenge for the last blow out? >> exactly. at home. i guess i was watching too much grover norquist. >> you have to get off the northwest. the fiscal cliff has been bungee jump. we will be back. [ male announcer ] the career landscape of america is changing. new jobs are here, and by 2025, we could have millions more that demand qualified college graduates. many in the bay area. at devry university, our market-responsive bachelor's and master's degree programs can give you what you need to succeed in today's careers and the ones on the horizon. get the know how you need for a new tomorrow at our 4 bay area locations, online or both. learn more at devry.edu. and let nothing stand in your way. >> announcer: meet jill. she thought she'd feel better after seeing her doctor. and she might have, if not for kari, the identity thief who stole jill's social security number to open credit cards, destroying jill's credit and her dream of retirement. now meet amanda. with a swipe of her debit card, she bought some gas... and an all-expense-paid trip to hawaii for ben. ben is the identi
norquist had said never cut any spending? i'm going to sign a bill that says never cut and spending. grover norquist, here's a great example, he does not even believe in economic case multipliers. host: gary says -- guest: what's interesting about the last election cycles is we had under president bush and the end, democrats seized control of congress in big numbers. and we had the big democratic sweep with the white house in 2008. 2010, republicans came sweeping back. we've had a pendulum swing, very contractive time period. that's one of the factors. we have seen both sides really dug in because they don't know where the pendulum will swing in the next direction. -- eklection. host: from one of our viewers -- on facebook -- guest: that's right. one of the points she raises is it's easy to look and collectors and say we will just drop 10% of this program and 20% off that program. but when you get down to the individual programs, we're talking state and local police departments, fire departments, teachers' pay, all sorts of programs that have different constituencies that you would feel the
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